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Transmission #014 - Milley: Near Sputnik Moment
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Transmission #014 - Milley: Near Sputnik Moment

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff says China's hypersonic mystery vehicle "has all of our attention."
Sometimes an image speaks for itself. Image: Screen capture of video.

When Bloomberg TV posted its interview with the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley in the wee hours Wednesday morning, it created a wave, more like a sonic boom, across the U.S.-based space, defense, and foreign affairs communities. Even CNN’s foreign affairs cognoscenti Fareed Zakaria opened his Sunday morning show and based his weekly Washington Post column on it.

What the U.S. military’s top uniformed leader said squarely put to rest any debate on how the intelligence community, the Department of Defense, and the Biden Administration view China’s unaccounted-for late-July launch of a Long March 2C rocket that at least from China officially remains a mystery. 

“What we saw was a very significant event of a test of a hypersonic weapon system. And it is very concerning. I think I saw in some of the newspapers they used the term “Sputnik moment.” I don’t know if it’s quite a Sputnik moment, but I think it’s very close to that. It has all of our attention,” Milley said. 

What’s in this week’s podcast

In order to set aside the hype using the Sputnik metaphor naturally causes, in this week’s episode I spoke with one of the nation’s foremost hypersonic weapons systems authorities - and that’s not hyperbole - Mark Lewis. He is an aeronautics and astronautics engineer - a.k.a. a rocket scientist-engineer.

Until January of this year, Lewis was the DoD’s director of Defense, Research and Engineering and the acting deputy under secretary of defense for Research & Engineering.  In other words, he was the Pentagon’s senior-most scientist.

In our conversation, Lewis gives the history and the context of what makes a “Sputnik moment,” and explains what Milley was actually saying and the role of strategic technological surprise in warfighting.  Lewis is the Executive Director, Emerging Technologies Institute at the National Defense Industries Association.

In the second half of this episode, Sarah Mineiro and Kaitlyn Johnson also weigh in on Milley’s close “Sputnik moment,” and then dig into what they see as the asynchronous relationship between the U.S Space Force and Senate and House appropriators. 

Mineiro and Johnson are experts in space, defense, and budget policies and issues. Mineiro has worked in government in defense and intelligence and on legislation, specifically the bill that created the U.S. Space Force. The proud former “Hill Rat” is now an adjunct senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security’s Defense Program, and the senior director for space strategy at Anduril Industries.

Kaitlyn Johnson is the deputy director of the Aerospace Security Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies and is a key author of the think tank’s annual must-read “Space Threat Assessment.” Kaitlyn is also the host of the center’s podcast “Tech Unmanned.”

Why it matters

The hypersonic X-37B Orbital Test Vehicle, made by Boeing, at Cape Canaveral, Fla. in May 2020. Image: U.S. Space Force

In the U.S., while Congress is grappling with the FY2022 defense budget - the National Defense Authorization Act - the government through Gen. Milley has confirmed its belief that China launched into orbit a hypersonic glide vehicle capable of delivering a nuclear warhead to American shores in late July. 

The U.S. has a missile defense system designed to intercept intercontinental ballistic missiles, but not to put too fine of a point on it, its dependability is literally hit-or-miss. Plus, hypersonic glide vehicles and ICBMs are not the same things. 

To get the geopolitical context and a deeper understanding of this alleged and mysterious launch and the differences between hypersonics and ICBMs, read last week’s newsletter and/or listen to the podcast.

While experts believe it is possible to develop systems, some of which by the way would have to be space-based, to defend against a hypersonic glide vehicle, they don’t yet technically exist. Money, and a lot of it, and focused dedication are needed for such a technological development effort… 

Enter the U.S. Space Force… The USSF is under pressure from Congress and the Administration to get things done in space faster, smarter and better, and more efficiently, especially economically. On Wednesday it became clear that meeting that responsibility and funding it are out of sync.

Sticking to the responsibility theme, the USSF and its Space Warfighting and Analysis Center hosted a seminal meeting, billed as a “business fair” with a reported 180 space and defense companies. In the public notice, the classified event’s purpose was to provide “industry partners insight and rationale to the Force Design processes and model-based systems engineering (MBSE) currently being employed in the context of Missile Warning/Missile Tracking mission areas.”

The meeting was not about awarding contracts, but rather sharing with industry what the USSF sees as the current and future threat environment, and what capabilities will be needed to address them. You can be sure China’s alleged hypersonic glide vehicle was a topic.


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